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Years ago — many years ago — I was in a college sports club. This wasn’t just a pastime for me, it was a serious part of my life. Because I was on what I called “the work-study program” (i.e., I studied until the money ran out, then I worked for a year or two — usually for the college itself, to keep myself eligible for club membership — to build up enough of a cash reserve to start taking classes again), I spent ten full years in this same sports club. I chose my classes, and sometimes my work schedules, to accommodate the club’s meetings and workouts. Over the years, I dated between a quarter and a third of the female membership. This particular activity-slash-gathering-of-people was my principal (sometimes my only) activity outside work or classes, and almost the entirely of my social life. I say all this to emphasize just how important it was to me.

At one point, the assistant instructor left the club to devote himself to finishing his graduate work. The club president accepted a promotion to assistant instructor, leaving the presidency vacant. The vice-president … It is difficult for me to express, without using language I would prefer not to post on my LJ, just what an appalling character he was. He hit on the female students, even though (we discovered) he was married. He had passed out campaign posters when running for vice-president, something one just didn’t do in that venue: everybody knew you, and if they agreed you were right for the position, you got their vote; the club was devoted to the sport, and bringing politics into it was unseemly to a disturbing degree. He was the wrong person, in the wrong place, not just at that time but at any time.

Those of us who were serious about the club did not want him to be our president. The resigning president did his best to call a new election, and I was all for it … and the chief instructor, the man who every year submitted himself for re-election but then ruled firmly throughout his repeated terms, said flatly, “No. According to our constitution, the vice-president succeeds if the president is unable to complete his duties.” And that was that, and we were stuck with a thoroughly unsuitable character as our president for the remainder of the year.

I had been part of the attempt to sidestep the rules as they stood, in order to avoid an undesirable consequence; and, when we were called on it, I recognized even then that the resort to fundamental authority, however unfortunate the result, was the way things ought actually to be done. The law is the law, and if the law is wrong, you change the law rather than breaking (or ignoring) it.

I said all that so I could say this:

The attempts to pass laws confiscating the bonuses to AIG executives, or to tax those bonuses at 90% or more, are not only wrong but illegal. Under our Constitution, it isn’t just illegal to do such things, it’s illegal to make such laws. Bills of attainder (laws aimed not just at classes of persons but directed at specific individuals) and ex post facto legislation (enacting laws that alter the legal consequences of an act, after the act was committed) are both specifically prohibited by the U.S. Constitution, and for good reason.

I was against the bailouts, to AIG or to anyone else. My feeling is, if a business fails, let it fail; other businesses will rush in to fill the gap. If, however, you DO give it money to keep it in normal operation, then you have to let it operate normally. A business isn’t a government agency, and can’t be operated by political rules.

What we’re seeing is cynical political grandstanding. It’s also against the law. Allowing it to proceed is a direct threat to this nation.

Date: 2009-03-22 03:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frogfarm
Legislation is not "the law."

In all else above, I am in agreement.

Date: 2009-03-22 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sroni.livejournal.com
In agreement with you. Completely.

Date: 2009-03-24 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Well said again, as usual. I'm constantly astounded by the people who think the government can be trusted more than private business.

Date: 2009-08-10 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlbarnett.livejournal.com
private business has proven it can't be trusted. The government hasn't. And it's easier to change the government than to change the businesses.

Date: 2009-08-11 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Seriously, you honestly believe the government hasn't proven it can't be trusted? Seriously? Wow.

Private business has the task of providing services or goods, and satisfying customers. Yes, there needs to be some oversight to deal with those few who go for the fast profit, but those people are few and far between -- the task of a good businessman is to have a long lasting business that will continue to satisfy customers, and you're not going to stay in business for long if you don't.

Compare that to the ineffeciency, greed, and uncaring of a government bureaucracy, the notorious slowness to react or innovate, the graft and various crimes of our national politicians. Look at the Congressmen who do so much, so wrong and yet keep getting elected, over and over again. The government used to be by and of the people, now it's by and of the special interest groups and the politicians themselves.

Most private business consists of the small to medium size business people who provide jobs, growth, innovation, and industry. Even big business is mostly hard working people who want to do what most of us want to do: become successful. Big Government is far more rotten and dangerous than private business.

Date: 2009-08-12 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlbarnett.livejournal.com
well, I might not be inclined to trust a Republican administration right now. But I've never been inclined to look to the government for moral leadership so I really haven't got any feelings against any recent Democratic administrations.

I'm a small business man myself, or rather the son of one working in the family business. I've seen a few to many instances of companies taking stuff off the market cause it was to good. I work in flooring. The two main companies have bought many of their competitors, now originally these were all about the same size, but have kept the old names to maintain brand loyalty. But they're pretty much all the same carpets. You've heard of Stainmaster? THe company that made that and pushed it as the best carpet around came up with a better fiber. So they sold the name to someone who jumped at the chance to have their stuff marketed as Stainmaster. Look at it's warrenties and there's plenty of non-Stainmaster stuff with better.

Remember Primestar, the satelite TV company? At least around my neighborhood everyone considered it the best of those companies. THey then sold to either Diorect TV or DishNetwork. WHo, instead of using their satelite to provide better coverage de-orbited it.

What innovations are you talking about?

The sort of business model innovations that create bubbles like the dot-com one and the recent real estate bubble, with the sub-prime mortgages? My familyl helped out a guy who lost his house because of that. FUnny thing is he could have afforded a normal mortgage, maybe on a smaller house, but was convince a sub-prime.

How about the medical innovations that leave us with commercials for drugs with more side affects than what they're supposed to cure. Of course they probably help raise medical costs. You've got to test if those drugs you will be appropriate for you after all.

Or the inovations that have moved us from a "fix it" society to a "throw it away if it's broken" to "throw it away if it isn't top of the line." Compare how long it took to go from VCR's to DVDs and how long it went to go from DVDs to HD DVDs and Blu-Ray.

There's to many people who'll come up with an idea and THEN search for a buyer of the idea for me to believe innovation will be crippled by the government.

I simply don't believe the people who say that their main concern is small and medium sized businesses actually mean it. It's all about big business. And if they're really concerned about them then treat them differently. Different circumstances and different needs invite different rules. You treat family differently than friends than acquaintances than enemies. THe special interests you mention belong to the businesses you trust.

Date: 2009-08-12 08:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
I'm not inclined to trust a Democrat administration that seems hell bent on gaining control of the US free economy, and driving it to ruin at the same time.

What innovations? Innovations come from businessmen, not politicians. Bell, Browning, Ford, Goodyear, McCormick, Morse, Salk, Whitney, the Wright brothers -- I could go on and on. Private citizens all, innovating for the sake of discover and, yes, turning start up businesses into companies that often made them profits and, in turn, employed millions of Americans. Government is famous for stifling invention and innovation, not encouraging it.

Yes, businesses sometimes fail, sometimes make bad decisions, and sometimes get too big for their britches and have to be cut down to size. How is that not true of Big Government? It was the businessman, the inventor, the innovator, the mom and pop stores and the corporations, the private individual who made this country, not the government that all too often stomps the freedom to innovate out of anything its bloated shadow falls across.

Date: 2009-08-12 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlbarnett.livejournal.com
I happen to think the US economy hasmore to fear from people losing faith or failing to employ enough people to function properly. Both of which could easily happen the way it's going right now.

All the people you list started out coming up with ideas and then became business men. That's why we don't need to worry about a lack of innovations. Some people work because that's what people do. There's plenty of people who invent because they need to see if their ideas can work. Once the people you listed ideas suceeded and they went into business, if they didn't fail, they often showed an incredible ability to be out of touch. Ma Bell had to be broken up to get innovations going.

Date: 2009-08-12 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlbarnett.livejournal.com
It's not the politicians I'm hearing bashing big business. Hell, I hear most of them trying to keep people's faith up.

Date: 2009-08-13 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Businesses employ the number of people the economy will allow them to; the economy goes in natural up and down cycles, and always has. We had an unusually long up cycle in the 80's and 90's; now we're having an unusually long down cycle, fueled in part by wrong headed government intervention.

Invention, innovation and business go hand in hand, always have; inventers ultimately want business to make use of their ideas, and businesses want to take advantage of those ideas for the sake of improving their product or services.

Date: 2009-08-12 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlbarnett.livejournal.com
I just want the gov't to regulate. To give businesses a reason to search for the exec who'll take 100 million if the company succeeds instead of 400 million if it fails

And Big Business is the villain because small businesses have to fight for their market share with quality goods and services, meanwhile larger businesses are more than willing to get their profits by eliminating competition. THat's bad for customers and employees.

Yes, the guy I knew who could have afforded the regular mortgage should have taken it. But no one should have tried to convince him to take the riskier choice.

Date: 2009-08-13 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Yes, that first is exactly what I was trying to get out, but you said it so much better than I did. Your second point was even more on the mark, well said again. And you said it with fewer words and less repitition than I did!